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as, when pigs fly. maxwell, brought out of the retirement, a better gig with the geico buddies willing to come out to take a look here. so we come at a crucial moment in health policy deciding how the implementation of the affordable care act is going to occur, whether states will have a clear partnership role or subservient role in what exchanges in medicaid reform look like. and with a fork in the road you always have to make sure that you take one of them. so that's where we are at the moment. let me speak to governor herbert, he was a good sport about all this. he is the 19th -- 17th governor of utah, been in office since 2009, reelected last fall, currently serves as chair of the western association. he's on the executive committee of the national governors association, workforce committee of the nga come in before becoming the state's chief executive, governor gary herbert served as lieutenant governor for five years. he's been in washington this week having some wonderful conversations with federal officials in the administration regarding the future of his states health
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